Noob question regarding supercharger

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sb96
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Re: Noob question regarding supercharger

Post by sb96 » Tue Jan 05, 2021 4:10 pm

Yupp, the heat pump seems to be extremely bad. Unless there's some magic in the ME2.1 update it seems like an ID3 with no heat pump is better at managing the battery %.

A graph from the video:

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Only in the second lap did the ID3 with a heat pump use less energy.

simonrg
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Re: Noob question regarding supercharger

Post by simonrg » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:08 pm

sb96 wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 4:10 pm
Yupp, the heat pump seems to be extremely bad. Unless there's some magic in the ME2.1 update it seems like an ID3 with no heat pump is better at managing the battery %.
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At this point I have little confidence in even the simple functions of the ID.3's software, so managing engine, battery and heat pump together efficiently is beyond its current capabilities.
So, currently heat pump is being surely being sold under the false pretense of raising winter range, but then I think the winter range is also untrue with VW's video talking about a minimum range of 280km (~175miles) for highway driving -
ID.3 Business Pro Performance 204PS 1-speed automatic 5 Door + Heat Pump - Software 0564 Hardware H20
Collected 23rd December 2020 - North Yorkshire

sb96
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Re: Noob question regarding supercharger

Post by sb96 » Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:22 pm

simonrg wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:08 pm
sb96 wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 4:10 pm
Yupp, the heat pump seems to be extremely bad. Unless there's some magic in the ME2.1 update it seems like an ID3 with no heat pump is better at managing the battery %.
.....
At this point I have little confidence in even the simple functions of the ID.3's software, so managing engine, battery and heat pump together efficiently is beyond its current capabilities.
So, currently heat pump is being surely being sold under the false pretense of raising winter range, but then I think the winter range is also untrue with VW's video talking about a minimum range of 280km (~175miles) for highway driving -
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Yes, I'm starting to believe that's the case. I'm going to be very amazed if they manage to pull it off in the ME2.1 or any future update.

Also, the 280km of highway driving is without any heating at all, and I believe the battery is pre-heated, but even then I doubt it'll manage that distance.

simonrg
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Re: Noob question regarding supercharger

Post by simonrg » Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:10 pm

sb96 wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:22 pm
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Yes, I'm starting to believe that's the case. I'm going to be very amazed if they manage to pull it off in the ME2.1 or any future update.

Also, the 280km of highway driving is without any heating at all, and I believe the battery is pre-heated, but even then I doubt it'll manage that distance.
My point was almost the opposite, as I guess I am a bit more optimistic, in that if my heat pump is not helping much now and we know that 0564 software is definitely not the best, then future versions will mean that the heat pump can actually be used properly without need for any magic just sensible coding.
Having learnt all too much about warming up batteries in order to function correctly, understanding that currently ID.3 could do this better, once again hope for software to improve it.
It would appear that the ID.3 was rushed too market in order to help to reduce EU fines on VW, VAG are still trying to launch too many EV vehicles at once for similar reasons and don't appear to have enough software development effort to correct all the issues - so getting an ID.3 on 23rd December I am still effectively a "first mover" without having been told this or offered any compensating advantages for my role as a product tester.

In terms of the 280km range I suspect this was on German highways in summer, so reduction in range due to speed, but no reduction due to temperature. The video should really have a disclaimer to state that further range reductions will happen due to winter.
ID.3 Business Pro Performance 204PS 1-speed automatic 5 Door + Heat Pump - Software 0564 Hardware H20
Collected 23rd December 2020 - North Yorkshire

Emanuel
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Re: Noob question regarding supercharger

Post by Emanuel » Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:55 pm

sb96 wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:22 pm
Yes, I'm starting to believe that's the case. I'm going to be very amazed if they manage to pull it off in the ME2.1 or any future update.

Also, the 280km of highway driving is without any heating at all, and I believe the battery is pre-heated, but even then I doubt it'll manage that distance.
I got 19-20 kWh/100 km driving this weekend in my "Life" trim car with a heat pump. Temperature was between 0 to -6, car was parked outside before I started driving and was parked outside for 7-8 hours at my destination, heat on the whole time and in "sport" mode on nordic winter tires and snow on the road part of the way. Drove about 200 km in each direction almost all highway. In other words, far from great conditions but makes for about 320 km of range at 100% which checks out with how far I actually got. I mostly put it at 100 km/h, at 90 in some spots and 120 in some.

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