Over the air updates and app update

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id73
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Post by id73 »

Anyone know when VW plan to start rolling out OTA updates and what sort of updates to expect?

Similarly, any insights on when the will update the laggy and feature poor app? Eg remote lock/ unlock, cabin temp, flash, honk, vent windows etc. As per Tesla app

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Post by Deleted User 192 »

No, and no.

Not heard anything solid, just speculation and guessing.
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Post by simonrg »

Yes and sort of.

On 3rd of March in a press release VW has stated over the air updates will start before the end of summer - https://www.volkswagen-newsroom.com/en/ ... -2021-6876 - they are talk about optimisation so hopefully will speed up the responsiveness of the system, no mention of other specific functions.

Hopefully more than speculation and guessing.

However, in terms of speculation VW have obviously briefed a number of reviewers that the app is able to lock/unlock etc., so these features are presumably already being tested on the 3000 vehicle test group mentioned in the press release.

Text retrieved this morning:
"Volkswagen ID.3 and ID.4 models in Europe can now receive new functions and in-depth technical updates via W-LAN or mobile network.The customer's vehicle always remains at the cutting edge of digital developments with the so-called "Over-the-Air" updates. The software version ID.2.1, which establishes the technical prerequisites for "Over-the-Air" updates, is automatically included with all new ID. models produced since calendar week 8.

"Volkswagen is driving forward the digitalization of its products at pace and is transforming itself into a full-service provider of hardware, software and services. The introduction of Over-the-Air updates is the next important step in our transformation into a tech company and in the development of new business models," says Ralf Brandstätter, CEO of the Volkswagen brand.

Starting this summer, Volkswagen will provide owners of ID. Vehicles with an update every three months. In addition to optimizing software performance, these may also include new functions and customization options.

"This will ensure that all delivered ID. Models will be kept at the same software level as new cars throughout their entire life cycle. Over-the-Air updates will also be the new normal in cars in the future. With them, we will keep all delivered ID. models on the same software level as new cars for years to come," says Thomas Ulbrich, Board Member for Technical Development at Volkswagen.

The newly founded ID.Digital project unit will consistently drive the further development of the ID.family and coordinate the implementation of “Over-the-Air” updates in the ID.family. The project team's agile approach will set new standards in software maintenance with short update cycles and flexible consideration of customer requirements. In this way, decisions about new digital services and improved customer interaction can be realized quickly and easily.

The new ID.Software 2.1 is already on board as standard for vehicles produced from calendar week 8. For customers who have already received an ID. Vehicle, the new software will now be made available successively. As announced, they will have to visit their dealer once for this purpose. With the new software, it will then be possible for the first time in the volume segment to update control units installed in the vehicle, among other things, without the customer having to go to the workshop.

The first "Over-the-Air" updates are currently being successfully tested on over 3,000 company cars so that the first customers will soon be able to benefit from the continuous performance improvements and new functions. Volkswagen is thus setting an important milestone in the further development of its own electronics architecture.

Software is increasingly becoming a competitive differentiating factor and therefore a decisive purchase reason in the automotive market of the 21st century."
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Models will be kept at the same software level as new cars throughout their entire life cycle.
That's the best bit. Older vehicles won't be penalised when new software updates appear.
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Post by Ians »

Models will be kept at the same software level as new cars throughout their entire life cycle.

Older vehicles won't be penalised when new software updates appear."

NO chance unless they define the the 'life cycle' in similar terms to computers around 8 years max.

Step changes in OS and hardware make this impractical.
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Post by digital »

gailjon wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 7:34 am
Models will be kept at the same software level as new cars throughout their entire life cycle.
That's the best bit. Older vehicles won't be penalised when new software updates appear.
But doesn't that assume that older (5+ years?) hardware will have to be capable of running the latest software or the latest software will have to be be limited to what the old hardware can cope with?
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Post by simonrg »

Currently even Tesla is not like Apple and making their own products obsolete in a year, currently VW seems to be more following the Tesla than Apple business model. Model S owners of 5 years are still happy and receiving updates, and not as far as I know seeking to replace cars simply to get new software.

As long as VW are able to sell ID.3s then It is in their interests not change components too rapidly as shown by the difficulties of 2.1 recall. Also the recall chaos has shown that the IT modules can be replaced/updated, so who knows this may be a new revenue stream to sell us better computers.

I hope that this long life for our vehicle is an advantage of being an early adopter that our ID.3s will get fully updated until the ID.3 is replaced by a new model.

I feel in 5 years time the ID.3 is more likely to be limited by hardware rather than software, based on experience with other cars and the Tesla EV experience.

However, it would be useful to get a legal definition of "entire life cycle".
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