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Andy1966
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-64901247
Some good points made here, a few strange ones like the national grid not being able to cope with more EV’s ….
But the point about the tax on public charging is something that has to be addressed.
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As the RAC state what is needed are more charging hubs. To increase the number of chargers on such remote sites would require substantial re cabling which is going to be too expensive. There is no chance of a reduction in VAT on commercial charging. Just compare that with the fuel duty ICE vehicle drivers are paying.
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Post by steviebabes »

We live in a holiday area and have a small campsite. We allow use of our charging point but have yet to be asked about it. There is a much larger site a few miles away that has 2 Podpoint 22kW outlets. They are little used and we often charge there as they are cheaper and quicker than home. I don't see the need for high power chargers at camp sites as most cars would charge overnight.
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Yep, slow AC charging at destination charging and rapid chargers en-route e.g. motorways is what's generally needed.
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Post by Navigator »

There is a limit as to how many 7/22Kw chargers can be installed at any one spot which depends on the local mains supply. Without additional supply pylons many areas will never have enough capacity. It's a local supplier ( and government) problem.
The government was so keen to go green but as with doctors and schools near new housing estates, it only 'sees' the problem after they have been built. There has been no forward planning that i'm aware of.
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I wonder if they could replace all the petrol stations at campsites with EV charging stations?

Tongue in cheek of course, but if you are at a campsite, what's wrong with a 3 pin plug? Arguably, because there is a standard electrical supply there already, as it stands, it already more convenient than with an ICE car. Faster chargers would be great sure, but its not like charging can't take place as it stands.
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soupdragon wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:43 pm I wonder if they could replace all the petrol stations at campsites with EV charging stations?

Tongue in cheek of course, but if you are at a campsite, what's wrong with a 3 pin plug? Arguably, because there is a standard electrical supply there already, as it stands, it already more convenient than with an ICE car. Faster chargers would be great sure, but its not like charging can't take place as it stands.
When you say standard electrical supply, what do you mean, campsite electric pitches are not on a dedicated 80A fuse. Chances are it's a 10A or a 16A if your lucky. In europe it's probably half that.
They were designed for a fridge, some lights and maybe a TV and satellite. Many of them won't cope with a 3kW Kettle let alone having a car plugged in for 12 hours and certainly not both.

With ref to the Article, I notice that none of these EV articles mention that the overall Electrical Consumption in the UK has been in decline since 2005. There's about 50TWatts headroom ;)
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G43FAN wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 4:08 pm
soupdragon wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:43 pm I wonder if they could replace all the petrol stations at campsites with EV charging stations?

Tongue in cheek of course, but if you are at a campsite, what's wrong with a 3 pin plug? Arguably, because there is a standard electrical supply there already, as it stands, it already more convenient than with an ICE car. Faster chargers would be great sure, but its not like charging can't take place as it stands.
When you say standard electrical supply, what do you mean, campsite electric pitches are not on a dedicated 80A fuse. Chances are it's a 10A or a 16A if your lucky. In europe it's probably half that.
They were designed for a fridge, some lights and maybe a TV and satellite. Many of them won't cope with a 3kW Kettle let alone having a car plugged in for 12 hours and certainly not both.

With ref to the Article, I notice that none of these EV articles mention that the overall Electrical Consumption in the UK has been in decline since 2005. There's about 50TWatts headroom ;)
For the reasons you mention, and because many campsites are remote from decent grid power supplies, I personally think it's unreasonable to expect to be allowed to plug an EV in at a campsite unless the campsite owner has a couple of bookable dedicated charging spaces. I don't want to see big infrastructure projects out in the national parks to provide new charging infrastructure for campsites there either. I don't see the problem with being unable to charge at some destinations, it just requires people to plan and charge before they arrive or elsewhere during their stay.
I haven't read the original article but I strongly suspect I would find it annoying...
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