Range degradation
Just returned home from a 260 mile round trip most of the way on the M6 & M5 at 70mph - where possible
On the southbound journey this morning (mainly into strong headwinds & rain) the battery charge went down from 100% to 20%.
Returning north this evening the charge went from 88% to 23%.
The infotainment centre states that today's consumption works out at 3.3miles/kWh
Given today's chilly temperatures I'm happy with the range. Also found the ACC & Front Assist make for a relaxing drive in the heavy motorway traffic around Birmingham.
My ID.3 has been reporting "Unable to load connection status" since last Thursday - but that's another story (& VW Digital Service keep sending me emails assuring me that their advanced technical team are working on a solution. Not sure how long to wait for this or whether to pull fuse 19 (again)
On the southbound journey this morning (mainly into strong headwinds & rain) the battery charge went down from 100% to 20%.
Returning north this evening the charge went from 88% to 23%.
The infotainment centre states that today's consumption works out at 3.3miles/kWh
Given today's chilly temperatures I'm happy with the range. Also found the ACC & Front Assist make for a relaxing drive in the heavy motorway traffic around Birmingham.
My ID.3 has been reporting "Unable to load connection status" since last Thursday - but that's another story (& VW Digital Service keep sending me emails assuring me that their advanced technical team are working on a solution. Not sure how long to wait for this or whether to pull fuse 19 (again)
Sounds good. Which battery do you have?Gwyver wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 8:49 pm Just returned home from a 260 mile round trip most of the way on the M6 & M5 at 70mph - where possible
On the southbound journey this morning (mainly into strong headwinds & rain) the battery charge went down from 100% to 20%.
Returning north this evening the charge went from 88% to 23%.
The infotainment centre states that today's consumption works out at 3.3miles/kWh
Given today's chilly temperatures I'm happy with the range. Also found the ACC & Front Assist make for a relaxing drive in the heavy motorway traffic around Birmingham.
My ID.3 has been reporting "Unable to load connection status" since last Thursday - but that's another story (& VW Digital Service keep sending me emails assuring me that their advanced technical team are working on a solution. Not sure how long to wait for this or whether to pull fuse 19 (again)
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58kWH batteryFlaming76 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:01 pmSounds good. Which battery do you have?Gwyver wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 8:49 pm Just returned home from a 260 mile round trip most of the way on the M6 & M5 at 70mph - where possible
On the southbound journey this morning (mainly into strong headwinds & rain) the battery charge went down from 100% to 20%.
Returning north this evening the charge went from 88% to 23%.
The infotainment centre states that today's consumption works out at 3.3miles/kWh
Given today's chilly temperatures I'm happy with the range. Also found the ACC & Front Assist make for a relaxing drive in the heavy motorway traffic around Birmingham.
My ID.3 has been reporting "Unable to load connection status" since last Thursday - but that's another story (& VW Digital Service keep sending me emails assuring me that their advanced technical team are working on a solution. Not sure how long to wait for this or whether to pull fuse 19 (again)
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Thanks for the info. The overall average consumption equates to a range of 180 miles (100-0%) which is about what I'd been led to expect in winter. It's interesting how much the morning rain and wind affected it though. Was it also colder in the morning? If your journey was 130 miles each way, your morning consumption extrapolates to a range of 165 miles and your afternoon consumption to a range of 200 miles, which would be really good.
Maybe I need to keep a close eye on wind direction when planning long journeys...
Maybe I need to keep a close eye on wind direction when planning long journeys...
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A Better Route Planner can include real time weather and wind calculations as part of its range estimation for legs of journeys. I find it pretty accurate and certainly adds a lot of peace of mind on longer trips.sidehaas wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:17 am Thanks for the info. The overall average consumption equates to a range of 180 miles (100-0%) which is about what I'd been led to expect in winter. It's interesting how much the morning rain and wind affected it though. Was it also colder in the morning? If your journey was 130 miles each way, your morning consumption extrapolates to a range of 165 miles and your afternoon consumption to a range of 200 miles, which would be really good.
Maybe I need to keep a close eye on wind direction when planning long journeys...
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It was probably a degree or two colder in the morning.sidehaas wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:17 am Thanks for the info. The overall average consumption equates to a range of 180 miles (100-0%) which is about what I'd been led to expect in winter. It's interesting how much the morning rain and wind affected it though. Was it also colder in the morning? If your journey was 130 miles each way, your morning consumption extrapolates to a range of 165 miles and your afternoon consumption to a range of 200 miles, which would be really good.
Maybe I need to keep a close eye on wind direction when planning long journeys...
As for the wind direction - when you've got to go, you've got to go! Difficult to see how to manage that variable.
I use ABRP - but conservatively. To my mind using real-time weather/wind calculations to maximise distance between charges could be risky. You might end up running on air if the weather worsens en-route (or your intended charge point becomes unavailable).Smitten wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:35 amA Better Route Planner can include real time weather and wind calculations as part of its range estimation for legs of journeys. I find it pretty accurate and certainly adds a lot of peace of mind on longer trips.sidehaas wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:17 am Thanks for the info. The overall average consumption equates to a range of 180 miles (100-0%) which is about what I'd been led to expect in winter. It's interesting how much the morning rain and wind affected it though. Was it also colder in the morning? If your journey was 130 miles each way, your morning consumption extrapolates to a range of 165 miles and your afternoon consumption to a range of 200 miles, which would be really good.
Maybe I need to keep a close eye on wind direction when planning long journeys...
Also I think these features of ABRP are only available in the premium/subscription version of the app - which, given the infrequency of my long journeys, isn't economically worthwhile for me.
Yes that's correct. As we used to drive two ICE cars and now only have one left, I decided I could afford the £3.50 subscription a month as I must be saving £90 per month on fuel at £1.50 a litre. I might even have a holiday as wellGwyver wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 4:08 pmI use ABRP - but conservatively. To my mind using real-time weather/wind calculations to maximise distance between charges could be risky. You might end up running on air if the weather worsens en-route (or your intended charge point becomes unavailable).Smitten wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:35 amA Better Route Planner can include real time weather and wind calculations as part of its range estimation for legs of journeys. I find it pretty accurate and certainly adds a lot of peace of mind on longer trips.sidehaas wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:17 am Thanks for the info. The overall average consumption equates to a range of 180 miles (100-0%) which is about what I'd been led to expect in winter. It's interesting how much the morning rain and wind affected it though. Was it also colder in the morning? If your journey was 130 miles each way, your morning consumption extrapolates to a range of 165 miles and your afternoon consumption to a range of 200 miles, which would be really good.
Maybe I need to keep a close eye on wind direction when planning long journeys...
Also I think these features of ABRP are only available in the premium/subscription version of the app - which, given the infrequency of my long journeys, isn't economically worthwhile for me.
I also drive conservatively but on long journeys in bad weather I want to be able to plan effectively and know precisely how many charges I need and where they might be. I also like the fact I can run ABRP as the in car Satnav via Android and I have been experimenting with that. Better still would be live data from the car but to be honest you can tweak the miles/KWh standard setting and as long as you are averaging better than the app, you know you have a good safety margin. I think Polestar has native Android in the vehicle so it can be fully integrated but perhaps more cars will make API access available to 3rd party software companies? I am guessing that eventually Google or similar will just buy ABRP as it did Waze and then the features might be integrated into Google Maps/Android Auto? I haven't really tried the VW navigation software beyond the test drive. The Peugeot nav software is OK but not as up-to-date with charger information and not that easy for EV route planning (we have an e208 and are waiting for our ID3 expected early 2022).
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Had my family pro for 5 months and the 80% range has fallen from 210 miles to 150 in the last 3 weeks. I booked it in with the dealer, as I didn't expect such a drop and they have said it's normal and to be expected in the winter. They didn't mention range fluctuation when I bought it, just that driving conditions could effect the rate the battery percentage reduced during a journey.
Feeling ripped off and hoping it increases when it gets warmer!
Feeling ripped off and hoping it increases when it gets warmer!
strewth1 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 10:02 pm Had my family pro for 5 months and the 80% range has fallen from 210 miles to 150 in the last 3 weeks. I booked it in with the dealer, as I didn't expect such a drop and they have said it's normal and to be expected in the winter. They didn't mention range fluctuation when I bought it, just that driving conditions could effect the rate the battery percentage reduced during a journey.
Feeling ripped off and hoping it increases when it gets warmer!
Mine is showing about 160 for 80%, the same as it did this time last year. It’s completely normal. It will improve again when it warms up.
Mitigate the consumption by pre-heating the cabin while the car is charging, and relying more on heated seats and steering wheel than the air-based heating. That’s about as much as you can do.
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You might find some of the other threads on this site useful for getting more information on all this aspect of EV driving. There are quite a few useful YouTube postings too.strewth1 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 10:02 pm Had my family pro for 5 months and the 80% range has fallen from 210 miles to 150 in the last 3 weeks. I booked it in with the dealer, as I didn't expect such a drop and they have said it's normal and to be expected in the winter. They didn't mention range fluctuation when I bought it, just that driving conditions could effect the rate the battery percentage reduced during a journey.
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Completely normal. Expect to lose approximately 20% of real range in colder weather (not WLTP but actual real world range). Batteries like 20 degrees C and as temperatures drop well below that they simply don't work as well. Range comes back as temperatures increase.strewth1 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 10:02 pm Had my family pro for 5 months and the 80% range has fallen from 210 miles to 150 in the last 3 weeks. I booked it in with the dealer, as I didn't expect such a drop and they have said it's normal and to be expected in the winter. They didn't mention range fluctuation when I bought it, just that driving conditions could effect the rate the battery percentage reduced during a journey.
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Its the car's need to expend energy to warm your battery that hits your range in Winter.
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It's weird isn't it, you'd think that the ICE forums would be flooded with posts about losing 70% of their fuel in Heat and sound but No..
Thanks for all the responses. This has been a bit of a learning experience. I've returned the car to the dealer today and agreed a refund of what I paid, less £1k, due to them and VW's marketing material not clearly explaining the deterioration in range performance to be expected during the winter. I can't accept a maximum of 75 miles each way trip during the winter (over 30% reduction) as the maximum range for a car priced at over £30k.Smitten wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 10:41 pmCompletely normal. Expect to lose approximately 20% of real range in colder weather (not WLTP but actual real world range). Batteries like 20 degrees C and as temperatures drop well below that they simply don't work as well. Range comes back as temperatures increase.strewth1 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 10:02 pm Had my family pro for 5 months and the 80% range has fallen from 210 miles to 150 in the last 3 weeks. I booked it in with the dealer, as I didn't expect such a drop and they have said it's normal and to be expected in the winter. They didn't mention range fluctuation when I bought it, just that driving conditions could effect the rate the battery percentage reduced during a journey.
Feeling ripped off and hoping it increases when it gets warmer!
There's me thinking you would get more than you paid for it!strewth1 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 9:14 pm
Thanks for all the responses. This has been a bit of a learning experience. I've returned the car to the dealer today and agreed a refund of what I paid, less £1k, due to them and VW's marketing material not clearly explaining the deterioration in range performance to be expected during the winter. I can't accept a maximum of 75 miles each way trip during the winter (over 30% reduction) as the maximum range for a car priced at over £30k.
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Sorry to hear that. With an EV it is important to research the downside as well as the upside and go into ownership fully informed. I don't think many of the dealers are fully informed themselves.strewth1 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 9:14 pmThanks for all the responses. This has been a bit of a learning experience. I've returned the car to the dealer today and agreed a refund of what I paid, less £1k, due to them and VW's marketing material not clearly explaining the deterioration in range performance to be expected during the winter. I can't accept a maximum of 75 miles each way trip during the winter (over 30% reduction) as the maximum range for a car priced at over £30k.Smitten wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 10:41 pmCompletely normal. Expect to lose approximately 20% of real range in colder weather (not WLTP but actual real world range). Batteries like 20 degrees C and as temperatures drop well below that they simply don't work as well. Range comes back as temperatures increase.strewth1 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 10:02 pm Had my family pro for 5 months and the 80% range has fallen from 210 miles to 150 in the last 3 weeks. I booked it in with the dealer, as I didn't expect such a drop and they have said it's normal and to be expected in the winter. They didn't mention range fluctuation when I bought it, just that driving conditions could effect the rate the battery percentage reduced during a journey.
Feeling ripped off and hoping it increases when it gets warmer!
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Well, I did actually by £4k, due to the rather generous trade in value I got for my old carCherry wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 9:26 pmThere's me thinking you would get more than you paid for it!strewth1 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 9:14 pm
Thanks for all the responses. This has been a bit of a learning experience. I've returned the car to the dealer today and agreed a refund of what I paid, less £1k, due to them and VW's marketing material not clearly explaining the deterioration in range performance to be expected during the winter. I can't accept a maximum of 75 miles each way trip during the winter (over 30% reduction) as the maximum range for a car priced at over £30k.
You're getting an 80 mile range in an ID3?
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